[FEEDBACK NEEDED] Drag and Drop (DnD) vs. Snap to Place (StP)

[domhnallohanlon]

Thanks everyone for your feedback - this is all really valuable and helpful as we continue to update and improve DnD for the coming quarter.

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@muneer

Clone and Create are essential

Agreed - we’re working on these and plan on adding them to DnD

@muneer

Extended setting for labels and Text_Input

We have a couple of updates almost ready to go for the label and I believe the Text_Input is scheduled for a redesign then once they get out!

@muneer

DnD emprovements:

These are great suggestions, when planning next steps we’ll try to prioritise the ones that have the most impact for the most users!

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@tatiang

we also need the ability to set those properties via blocks.

Good clarification/elaboration @tatiang, definitely hearing this one!

@tatiang

I haven’t seen a decent tutorial or documentation that really explains them well

We’re making good progress on a significant update to all the docs. There’s still a few weeks work in there to do, but progress is being made!

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@muneer

When I use a Data Viewer List / Grid, it adds an extra screen to my project.

Really? I use these regularly and this doesn’t happen to me. Can you send me a PM about this please @muneer? Thanks!

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@martint

focus on new features like the IAP

currently have one user testing this in “alpha” at the moment, docs a going to be finished shortly and then it will be time for a beta @martint - I’m excited for this one too!

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@mimostel

the option to convert StP projects to new UI

Were you in the beta test for the converter? A good few users here helped us with this a few months ago, this was always part of the plan when DnD was released!

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@sketch

And the other 90% Just looks terrible.

Can you PM me some examples please @sketch ? This is exactly the type of thing we’re looking to identify and fix ASAP!

Thanks for your help!

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@Pablo

Once you learn to use one interface, it is difficult to move to another.

Interesting point @Pablo - what were the 3 most difficult things to “re-learn” as an StP user?

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@ronnie

I just simply don’t get the Group component at all.

Thanks @ronnie - seeing this pop up a good bit too. We can definitely do a better job documenting best practices for the group component.

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@rishabh_2008

Why can’t you put a Realtime_DB

It’s had Firebase RealtimeDB since it was launched, see Muneer’s post above about this

@rishabh_2008

the shadow opacity is higher in Live test

Yep, the plan over the next few months is to improve the default properties and styles, thanks for the feedback in relation to this

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@David_Wolber

My suggestion though is to show more of the smarts that are happening internally in the properties screen

This is a great suggestion!

@David_Wolber

make the “advanced block” default,

Interesting - the camera use case is a good one, we’ll definitely have to give this one some more thought!

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@carlinmclellan

DnD slows down (A LOT) when you start having lots of blocks.

How many was “a lot” @carlinmclellan? We’ve shipped a number of significant performance updates in the past few weeks - if you open and DnD project and refresh it does it feel any faster to you now?

Thanks too for your feedback on design and layout, much appreciated!

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@vishruth-ram

I vote for DnD.

Thank you!

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Please keep the feedback coming folks - we have a number of meetings over the next two weeks to set our goals and priorities for the platform to the end of the year. If you see a post above that you agree with please leave a “like” and this way we’ll know what the most popular requests are.

Thanks!!

[mimostel]

@domhnallohanlon

Were you in the beta test for the converter? A good few users here helped us with this a few months ago, this was always part of the plan when DnD was released!

Im quite fresh new member here, i even didnt knew about Thunkable at that time

[darren]

@carlinmclellan

I tried using the DnD but found it a bit frustrating.

Ditto. I’ve tried it a few times and always stop after a couple minutes.

The web preview does not accurately represent what it will look like on the phone, and designing things that look presentable is not easy. It’s hard to get things aligned and sized properly across devices.

I pretty much stop there. If the design looks bad, it’s not worth pursuing further.

[domhnallohanlon]

@mimostel

i even didnt knew about Thunkable at that time

Ah - well, glad you’re here now @mimostel!

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@darren

The web preview does not accurately represent what it will look like on the phone

This is really helpful - can you PM me some specific examples of what doesn’t look right?

Do things look ok in Thunkable Live? Or on the projectPage?

[martint]

I am thinking regardless of the missing components/features that people are pointing out, the general consensus is most people still prefer working in the StP interface.
My vote is definately keep StP.

[sketch]

Same they should keep StP

[domhnallohanlon]

@martint

My vote is definately keep StP

@sketch

Same they should keep StP

Just for the sake of clarity, and before folks start casting votes, the sole purpose of this topic is to identify any and all reasons that people may currently have for not using DnD as their go-to, default option when using Thunkable.

Per Cassandra’s initial question:

@cassandra

For those who have not switched over to DnD, we’d love to hear from you - what’s holding you back?

[tony.ycy.program]

• I found out before that there is no way to use firebase to monitor individual (not fixed variable names) function, in DnD!

• When I switched to DnD, the format ran away.

• I hope it is (0,0) in the middle, which is definitely more convenient for me.

• What is the maximum value of the coordinates?

• I hope that there are automatic, filling, and relative size functions as well.

Why I like StP:

• Relative component positions are easier to understand than coordinate.

• Quite neatly.

Hope to continue to use StP

[franfranfran]

Hello, I do not use DnD since I have noticed that my application requires to manipulate multiple databases from the blocks, and this is still not possible from the data viewer list, I have also noticed that it works very slow, so maybe I could deal with the speed, but if or if I need to change the airtable database from the blocks, is that understood?

[vishruth-ram]

guys you go for StP exept ME

[sumeshoouh]

is this feature-request thread?
then i have a request…
can we have mouse-middle-button scrolling in code-block window?..it would be very useful…now we have click on empty space and drag up-down to move screen…if we have mouse-middle-button-scrolling enabled, it would make things more interesting…

[mimostel]

@sumeshoouh

is this feature-request thread?

I think that this topic is to give us the opportunity to reveal some feedback for DnD to @domhnallohanlon and his team.
Is not a poll or whatever else. If in developing, DnD will eventually come as the main environment here, so speaking also about some good aspects of StP is to provide them reasons to implement those in DnD aswell.

[mimostel]

… kinda related to this is my next question ? Is in DnD version scrollable row working ? (or group that might scroll both vertical and horizontal, whatever you get there , i use only StP so i dont know it), because in StP, even if we get “scrollable” option for rows, is not working and i need it so bad for my project. (scrollable column works like a charm).

[muneer]

As far as I know the Thunkable development team is working on a new kind of rows and columns which are still in the beta stage and once released it would (should) solve the scroll issue.

[cassandra]

@mimostel

Is in DnD version scrollable row working ?

Not yet, but it’s on our radar. We’ve been discussing this constantly as a team, and trying to plan out the best way to build this with other features we plan to improve or release. Keep an eye out!

[ronnie]

Started trying to do things with DnD. One painful thing is button text. I need the ability to change the padding/margin of the text. As it stands now, I have no control of the horizontal/vertical alignment of the text. This doesn’t work. Changing the font size keeps it centered horizontally, but I have no control over the vertical alignment.

[vishruth-ram]

I noticed that there wasn’t any some of the map features sitting here because what I’m MOST worried about is that about map. I’m done without these features.

plus, you can’t change the properties in advanced in StP UI. once you got them MIXED, you can do ANYTHING you want [in DnD].

[domhnallohanlon]

@ronnie

I have no control of the horizontal/vertical alignment of the text.

Thanks for the the considered feedback @ronnie - that’s helpful to know.

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@vishruth-ram

some of the map features

We’re hoping to be able to get some significant updates out for mapping in the not-too-distant future @vishruth-ram, which one(s) were you most interested in?

[vishruth-ram]

@domhnallohanlon

which one(s) were you most interested in?

map type, shows building, Shows inside(!not availible In DnD).

good side: edit anvaced properties in blocks (DnD)

[domhnallohanlon]

Got it, thanks!

@vishruth-ram

shows building, Shows inside

These aren’t available in StP either though, right?